My first impression when I got the pants home was how good the quality of the fabric, the seams and the padding was! The fit from the crotch up is great. But the stretch around the thighs and at the bottom is a disaster (I usually have problems with cycling pants being too tight in the thighs). And unfortunately they don't get better over time, after 10 rounds and a few washes they don't stay on at all but just slide up. Because the little rubber grommets that are supposed to hold everything in place started to come off after the first wash. Very disappointing because the pants otherwise felt very good. They feel well made! Will they work as a wear and tear on the rides to and from work, no. Otherwise no!